I recall a time where the conversation on YouTube involved theists suggesting that we take on board their beliefs on the grounds they are true.
More and more now i feel like i am coming across theists who are pleading with us to believe for the benefit of society: that we need religion to stop society going off the rails, or that Christianity is the lesser of two evils (versus Islam).
Arguments of this nature were always made but they crucially used to be made much more alongside the arguments for the validity of the belief. Now they seem to be somewhat in lieu of those arguments.
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